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		<title>By: Arvind Kumar</title>
		<link>http://www.sidesofmarch.com/index.php/archive/2007/03/15/monorail-vs-web-client-software-factory-wcsf/#comment-827255</link>
		<dc:creator>Arvind Kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 04:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to Know WCSF (Web Client Software Factory)
and 
What code where to Write.. If I Get Print screen as well it will be more help full

Please Help Me..

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to Know WCSF (Web Client Software Factory)<br />
and<br />
What code where to Write.. If I Get Print screen as well it will be more help full</p>
<p>Please Help Me..</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://www.sidesofmarch.com/index.php/archive/2007/03/15/monorail-vs-web-client-software-factory-wcsf/#comment-319313</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well written comment, Gordon -- it should be a blog post unto itself! :) I agree very much regarding the pitfalls of designer-generated code. I like frameworks and libraries; I don&#039;t like designers that generate code -- unless that code is very fundamental, boiler-plate stuff (like CodeSmith templates to define, for example, classes based on a given generic implementation -- think CodeSmith templates as used with WilsonORMapper (http://code.google.com/p/wilsonormapper/). ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well written comment, Gordon &#8212; it should be a blog post unto itself! <img src='http://www.sidesofmarch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I agree very much regarding the pitfalls of designer-generated code. I like frameworks and libraries; I don&#8217;t like designers that generate code &#8212; unless that code is very fundamental, boiler-plate stuff (like CodeSmith templates to define, for example, classes based on a given generic implementation &#8212; think CodeSmith templates as used with WilsonORMapper (<a href="http://code.google.com/p/wilsonormapper/" rel="nofollow">http://code.google.com/p/wilsonormapper/</a>). <img src='http://www.sidesofmarch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.sidesofmarch.com/index.php/archive/2007/03/15/monorail-vs-web-client-software-factory-wcsf/#comment-318684</link>
		<dc:creator>gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, Brian. 

I first jumped on the WCSF bandwagon because of all the cool things I heard it did. They were all things I wanted to know more about. But I was overwhemled and ultimately disapointed. 

WCSF works great and DOES do all these cool things... but for the most part they&#039;re done for you with all this code generation. It&#039;s not the best learning experience. They tell you how to use the wizards and what they do for you BUT I WANTED TO WRITE CODE!

I was very interested in understanding IoC and dependency injection, but with the Factory there&#039;s so much code generation I didn&#039;t even realize how I (or the generators) were using ObjectBuilder to achieve what I wanted to know. 

With WCSF, it comes down to trying to deconstruct all the generated stuff to see whats actually going on. There&#039;s nice things like the SiteMapProvider and I do like the way it organizes your project. But it&#039;s sooooo much. Even when they started &quot;bundling&quot; it... I gradually realized I was better off just using the bits of Enterprise Library I liked.

But MonoRail... when I first started with that this year... I fell in love. You can get your hands much dirtier, and you have so much more responsibility... which is what it&#039;s all about!! That&#039;s how you learn and I very quickly realized it was exactly what I was looking for. 

I don&#039;t want to put down WCSF or WSSF... the Service Factory especially has some nice things you can use without dragging in the whole works... I&#039;m not anti-Microsoft and I appreciate what the P&amp;P team is doing on CodePlex. 

I wouldn&#039;t kick and scream at having to do a WCSF project, but it&#039;s not fun, and that&#039;s why I do coding... I love it. And MonoRail is FUN... because you write code! It&#039;s taught me so much about architecture and development in general that I consider it heaven on earth for me and any devs looking to ramp up their skills. You never stop learning. I want to eventually start contributing - and getting up to that level is my goal for 2009.

I love absolutely everything about the Castle Project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, Brian. </p>
<p>I first jumped on the WCSF bandwagon because of all the cool things I heard it did. They were all things I wanted to know more about. But I was overwhemled and ultimately disapointed. </p>
<p>WCSF works great and DOES do all these cool things&#8230; but for the most part they&#8217;re done for you with all this code generation. It&#8217;s not the best learning experience. They tell you how to use the wizards and what they do for you BUT I WANTED TO WRITE CODE!</p>
<p>I was very interested in understanding IoC and dependency injection, but with the Factory there&#8217;s so much code generation I didn&#8217;t even realize how I (or the generators) were using ObjectBuilder to achieve what I wanted to know. </p>
<p>With WCSF, it comes down to trying to deconstruct all the generated stuff to see whats actually going on. There&#8217;s nice things like the SiteMapProvider and I do like the way it organizes your project. But it&#8217;s sooooo much. Even when they started &#8220;bundling&#8221; it&#8230; I gradually realized I was better off just using the bits of Enterprise Library I liked.</p>
<p>But MonoRail&#8230; when I first started with that this year&#8230; I fell in love. You can get your hands much dirtier, and you have so much more responsibility&#8230; which is what it&#8217;s all about!! That&#8217;s how you learn and I very quickly realized it was exactly what I was looking for. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to put down WCSF or WSSF&#8230; the Service Factory especially has some nice things you can use without dragging in the whole works&#8230; I&#8217;m not anti-Microsoft and I appreciate what the P&amp;P team is doing on CodePlex. </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t kick and scream at having to do a WCSF project, but it&#8217;s not fun, and that&#8217;s why I do coding&#8230; I love it. And MonoRail is FUN&#8230; because you write code! It&#8217;s taught me so much about architecture and development in general that I consider it heaven on earth for me and any devs looking to ramp up their skills. You never stop learning. I want to eventually start contributing &#8211; and getting up to that level is my goal for 2009.</p>
<p>I love absolutely everything about the Castle Project.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://www.sidesofmarch.com/index.php/archive/2007/03/15/monorail-vs-web-client-software-factory-wcsf/#comment-300199</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really depends on what you need. MonoRail has some WCF facilities available, and is built using the same .Net Framework and Visual Studio as the others. WCSF is really a different beast than MonoRail (or Microsoft&#039;s MVC) both under and over the covers.

Something I noticed while doing a little reading on WCSF. From http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb264518.aspx:

&gt;&gt; Note The software factory is optimized to create online business transaction processing Web sites. It is not optimized for Web content sites or collaboration sites.

Not sure what &quot;optimized&quot; means in this context, but it seems WCSF&#039;s documentation authors are hinting at not suggesting WCSF for some (vague) uses.

Generally, the Microsoft solutions are chock-full of wizards and helpers to generate code for you. MonoRail doesn&#039;t have these. I consider this a blessing in disguise. If you like wizards and tools to help you generate code, WCSF is worth looking in to. I&#039;d prefer using MonoRail or ASP.Net MVC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really depends on what you need. MonoRail has some WCF facilities available, and is built using the same .Net Framework and Visual Studio as the others. WCSF is really a different beast than MonoRail (or Microsoft&#8217;s MVC) both under and over the covers.</p>
<p>Something I noticed while doing a little reading on WCSF. From <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb264518.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb264518.aspx</a>:</p>
<p>>> Note The software factory is optimized to create online business transaction processing Web sites. It is not optimized for Web content sites or collaboration sites.</p>
<p>Not sure what &#8220;optimized&#8221; means in this context, but it seems WCSF&#8217;s documentation authors are hinting at not suggesting WCSF for some (vague) uses.</p>
<p>Generally, the Microsoft solutions are chock-full of wizards and helpers to generate code for you. MonoRail doesn&#8217;t have these. I consider this a blessing in disguise. If you like wizards and tools to help you generate code, WCSF is worth looking in to. I&#8217;d prefer using MonoRail or ASP.Net MVC.</p>
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		<title>By: axdkcd</title>
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		<dc:creator>axdkcd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WCSF seems much better integrated with MS technologies (WCF, WWF, WPF, and Visual Studio). Is that not reason enough to consider it over MonoRail if we are already knee deep in .NET + Visual Studio?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WCSF seems much better integrated with MS technologies (WCF, WWF, WPF, and Visual Studio). Is that not reason enough to consider it over MonoRail if we are already knee deep in .NET + Visual Studio?</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://www.sidesofmarch.com/index.php/archive/2007/03/15/monorail-vs-web-client-software-factory-wcsf/#comment-289834</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t worked much with WCSF, but I continue to do a lot with Castle MonoRail and ActiveRecord, and would strongly suggest using them for any web project you&#039;re considering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t worked much with WCSF, but I continue to do a lot with Castle MonoRail and ActiveRecord, and would strongly suggest using them for any web project you&#8217;re considering.</p>
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		<title>By: gbr</title>
		<link>http://www.sidesofmarch.com/index.php/archive/2007/03/15/monorail-vs-web-client-software-factory-wcsf/#comment-289369</link>
		<dc:creator>gbr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in the process of comparing products.  Do you have any comments on the WCSF 2.0 which has been released since you post?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the process of comparing products.  Do you have any comments on the WCSF 2.0 which has been released since you post?</p>
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		<title>By: davepaulino</title>
		<link>http://www.sidesofmarch.com/index.php/archive/2007/03/15/monorail-vs-web-client-software-factory-wcsf/#comment-2164</link>
		<dc:creator>davepaulino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice blog. I really love the MonoRail framework. Castle rocks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice blog. I really love the MonoRail framework. Castle rocks!</p>
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